Ah, WTB is trying to make a tire that works outside of SoCal? Having been on the WTB's in the Whistler Bike Park I can say they suck balls for anything here in the Sea-to-Sky corridor! The tires I have been outfitted with have been the Weirwolf's, Timberwolf's and the Dissents 2.5 and 2.3's. They all suck big donkey Balls. That's right I have finally come out and said what anyone working in the bike park has been bitching about with WTB tires. They flat out don't work unless it is completely dry and buff. Which isn't the WBP! I wonder why Maxxis is now a sponsor of the WBP? Bring on the Minions!